Atheism and Spirituality Are The Same Thing

Disclaimer: I must say, I wasn’t too sure I was going to post this guest post from Gip Plaster of So Much More Life. However, I thought it would be great to share a different perspective to my own so I decided to run with it. I hope you enjoy and visit the faithful TMP follower Gip’s site.

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When David posted his seven links recently, he included a link to a simple little post he wrote called Pray LESS & Do MORE.

I don’t remember reading it before, but one thing about this controversial post struck me: I don’t disagree with praying less and doing more. And I’m a deeply spiritual person.

If you want to follow a minimalist path, you have to confront religion. To strip your life down to its essence, you have to examine every aspect of it. As your life gets simpler, you mind gets clearer. As your perceived needs diminish, the silliness of the religions so many people rely on becomes apparent.

You see, a truly spiritual person isn’t much different than an atheist.

If that statement surprises you, read on. Atheism and spirituality are not just similar, they come from the same place: religion. Because religion is a prevalent force on the planet, you have no choice but to accept it or reject it. It can’t be ignored.

Atheism is often a reaction to narrow-minded religion and a life situation that has forced someone into too much exposure to it. Spirituality is a different reaction to the same thing. While an atheist may reject God because she rejects so much of what she has been taught about God, a spiritualist embraces a fully-available spirit that isn’t restricted by the caracature of God created by religion.

Here’s what I believe: We are all one thing. We are all — as some have put it — little pieces of God, each complete in itself. We are all creators. Every person on the planet is connected, and so are the animals, the plants and this planet’s forces themselves. Devaluing or weakening any part weakens the whole system. We are interdependent because we are are all made of the same stuff.

This isn’t just my idea either. The idea of “oneness” is common among spiritual people who have moved beyond the idea of a needy God with dominion over small, unworthy humans and into an idea that we all have value — and power.

And here’s a hard fact: Religion stands opposed to both true spirituality and true atheism. And atheism and spirituality stand together as two things so similar that they could actually be the same concept.

Atheism is a belief that humans hold all of life’s power within themselves. Prayer doesn’t help you if you’re an atheist because you already have everything you need — if you can only access it.

If you’re a spiritual person who believes in oneness, you also finds strength within yourself — placed there when you were created — to accomplish things beyond your wildest expectations.

For both of you, the strength comes from deep within — from the core of your being.

And what’s at your core? Power. It doesn’t matter how you think it got there.

Gip Plaster usually writes about much more mundane things at So Much More Life, but he doesn’t shy away from controversy. Why would he? He writes about decluttering, simplifying, minimalism, one-person very small businesses and much more. He’d like you to follow him by email or on Twitter. Why wouldn’t you?

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  • Gotdammit! Gip got me! I went over and read his other post! But if you come over to MY blog, (at least the blog I write for) I can tell you why! (Just kidding)!
  • My first and lingering impression is that this theory is quite half baked. Sure it stirs up conversation but so does saying all Black folk are as mad as a box of frogs. It's an opinion, but not much of one.
    I personally dislike wishy washy and even Gip's responses to comments fall into that category plus a badly hidden ploy to fish for readers to come over and finish the conversation... but not where the 'conversation' originated, only on his own blog. I say - what conversation?

    Nothing against Mr Gip -I don't know him, it just feels too obviously manipulative.
  • Ben
    Very interesting article. I don't know if I really agree, but... it's nice to see something that makes you think. I think atheists can absolutely be spiritual and feel spiritual experiences but I don't think atheism=spirituality by any means. Not in the way most people use those terms.
  • Lori
    I agree with much of your post, Gip. I was a Protestant Christian for much of my life, then became atheist, yet now I tend toward pantheism. I think these two are really connected in a way that's difficult to explain. I think hard core atheism is similar in many ways to fundamentalism in religions, and what you are describing, how they can be "the same", I think is what you get once an atheist is able to get beyond the hard core idea of no god, if that makes any sense. I think the implications that there is no god leads to the spirituality that you're talking about....that we're all connected. And isn't that amazing!
  • Jpalloto
    Unexpectedly, I couldn't agree more. Spot on! Being a Christian and not an athiest or a spiritualist -- I find Christianity (liberal christianity doesn't exist any more than being a little bit pregnant exists) extremely freeing and simple.

    Thank you for capturing the essence of these 2 religions.
  • Here's that follow-up piece on my blog I mentioned. It's called "Religion is Like The Letter People". It includes some additional comments about the reaction to this post and some new content:

    http://www.gipplaster.com/2010...

    Gip
  • Thanks, everyone! I'm glad to see the comments continuing. I'll be watching for more comments here, but I also wanted to mention that I'll be exploring this idea more on my own blog next week, probably on Monday -- but the post isn't ready so I can't say for sure yet. I'll try to post an announcement here when it's up.

    I just re-read my post, and I stand behind every word of it. In fact, I'm quite proud of it. As a piece of prose and as a position statement, it holds up nicely.

    Also, my post isn't an attempt to provide a definitive definition of atheism. I'm not the right one to do that. If atheists don't believe humans hold power within themselves, where is your power held? Any other answer assumes something I can't imagine you willing to assume.

    I also want to say thanks. My blog had its second biggest number of visitors ever yesterday, and Google Analytics says most came from here. I gained a huge number of new email subscribers, too. I'm very grateful.

    Gip
  • prufock
    No one is claiming atheists don't believe in self-determination. However, this does not mean that atheism and spirituality are the same thing. They share one characteristic. That would be like saying an orange and a pig are the same thing because they both have a rind.
  • David has vegetarians and vegans reading his blog, and I suspect talking about pork rinds would get more negative response than talking about spirituality. I don't like them myself, but I don't like oranges much either. So for me, they're pretty much the same...

    Gip
  • A slight oversight -- I'm grateful to those of you who visited and subscribed, but I'm also grateful to David for the opportunity. I should have expressed a bit more gratitude to my host, I think.

    Gip
  • The Gunslinger
    Ha. You say to not look at your comment as the conclusion, but all I really hear from it is "I don't know enough to readily respond to these readers, so I'm going to take a few days to think about it." Not a very good way to get new readers. It probably will be the conclusion for most.
  • John
    Speaking as an atheist, I can only say WTF? I'm an atheist not because of a "reaction to narrow-minded religion and a life situation that has forced someone into too much exposure to it", but simply because I don't believe in a deity - the same holds true for most of the other atheists I've met in my life. Simply put, I'm an atheist for the same reason that you don't believe in the tooth fairy.
  • Thanks, David, for publishing this post. I honestly expected that he wouldn't, so I would have then published this piece on my blog and sent David something else.

    I stayed quiet for a while to see what would happen, and so far, the comments are about as expected. I've been writing a long time, so it's difficult to shock me.

    I don't have a specific response to anyone really, but I appreciate all the comments. Blogs are designed, in part, to provoke thought and challenge deeply held ideas in readers and to challenge the boundaries of writers, too. Am I doing a good job?

    This is such an interesting concept that I plan to continue discussing it on my own blog in the coming weeks.

    Now, please don't look at my comment here as a conclusion. There's lots more to be said.

    Gip
  • Charmed2482
    wow, i don't think he was trying to start a debate on it, just writing about his own feelings.
  • I agree with prufock, atheism and spirituality are not really the 'same thing' but more accurately, they are not mutually exclusive. I don't agree with your definition of atheism either, and I think most atheists would agree with me. Atheism is not the belief that "humans hold all of life’s power within themselves", but instead is the idea that there is no solid evidence for God. It is not really focused on what is happening internally, meaning it doesn't say anything about spirituality (thus they are not mutually exclusive). Perhaps you could read someone like Sam Harris to get a better picture of atheism.
  • Stryker4570
    A bunch of made up pronouncements and assertions by someone who clearly doesn't understand his subject, concerning something that has the potential to alienate a large portion of your readership, probably isn't the wisest path to follow at TMP.
  • old_buzzard
    Gip Plaster is so far out of his depth here, and so far off base, it detracts from the credibility of not only his own blog, but also from that of TMP for posting this drivel.
  • We're on thin ice when we tell fellow seekers they're out of their depth when they speak about their spiritual work.
  • *HEAD DESK*

    I don't even know where to begin.
  • Kannprice
    Yes, religion and atheism/"spirituality" can seem like opposites. Yet most religion is ultimately "man trying to reach God through his own effort". What is really the difference if you are striving to reach your own goal or striving to pull yourself up by religious bootstraps? In the end, it is all pointless self-effort.
    My faith is about a relationship, not a set of man-made, man-pleasing obstacles or steps to "godhood". Yes, I believe in God and the only-way-to-Him Jesus Christ. Yes, I am still responsible for my own choices, and my own character. No, it is not up to me to get to where I am already in faith.
    We all have a choice in life: to say "Yes" or "No" to the Relationship. As much as some would like to pretend there are other choices, that's the breaks. I respect every person's right to make their own choice, as does God. At the same time, as Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller once said on his blog, "If you know I'm gonna get hit by a bus, it's your responsibility to warn me about that, and my choice to step off the curb or not."
  • prufock
    It's a bit of a stretch. You point out that they may have some similar characteristics, but the title of the post is misleading in that regard. A more accurate statement would be that atheism and spirituality are not mutually exclusive.
    Your broad assessment of atheism as a reactionary stance is also limited - most atheists I've encountered are atheists simply because they have no evidence that gods exist. While you do say "often," you also imply that all atheism "comes from" religion.
    The statement that we're all "little pieces of God" is about as far from atheism as you can get. Atheism simply means that one holds no belief in gods. Spirituality does not necessitate a lack of belief in gods. Spirituality also implies many things that may not coincide with atheism.
    So I think the premise is flawed. An atheist may or may not be spiritual. A spiritual person may or may not be an atheist. They have some similar characteristics. I think that's about as far as can be validly claimed.
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